1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,920 Tonight on Unsolved Mysteries. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,000 Michelle O'Malley says it started with a single vivid dream 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,160 about her deceased grandfather. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,760 Over time, the dreams became more frequent and more real, 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,200 leaving Michelle convinced that her grandfather's 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,560 spirit was actually communicating with her 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,400 from beyond the grave. 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,440 In Connecticut, a wealthy community 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,120 is shocked by the brutal death of her father, 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,960 and a wealthy community is shocked by the brutal death 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,000 of a 15-year-old girl. 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,240 Does a key to her murder lie with the sons 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,760 of a prominent family who lived across the street? 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,640 Virginia Warren, a foster child named Roger Linsley, 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,320 became the loving son she never had. 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,620 But after three years together, the authorities 17 00:00:46,620 --> 00:00:49,200 placed Roger with another family, launching 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,040 Jean on a poignant search that has spanned nearly three decades. 19 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,000 Also, we've traveled here to Washington State 20 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000 for a starting report. 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,480 New information has surfaced in the baffling case 22 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,680 of the Green River Killer. 23 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,840 Over a two-year period, he claimed at least 49 victims, 24 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,640 all of them young women. 25 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,560 He said in motion one of the greatest criminal investigations 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,840 in history. 27 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,600 Yet no arrest was ever made, and the name of the killer 28 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,080 remains a mystery. 29 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,160 Incredibly, this man claims to know what the police do not, 30 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,520 the identity of the Green River Killer. 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,920 It all began here along the Green River in your Kent, 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,360 Washington, where the bodies of the first victims 33 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,880 were found in 1982. 34 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,840 More than a decade later, the search for answers continues. 35 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,680 Join me for this fascinating edition of Unsolved Mysteries. 36 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,580 Ah. 37 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:37,800 What happens when we die? 38 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,160 Is there a life beyond this one? 39 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,880 Remarkably, four out of 10 people 40 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,280 say they've experienced some form of communication 41 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,320 with the dead, often through dreams. 42 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,360 These visits are called direct contacts. 43 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,720 What makes them unique is the specific previously 44 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,720 unknown information passed on to those who have been visited. 45 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,320 Consider the case of Michelle O'Malley of Portsmouth, 46 00:02:59,320 --> 00:02:59,800 Virginia. 47 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,960 It was November 15, 1993, three months after the birth 48 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,280 of Michelle's son, Benjamin. 49 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,400 That evening, Michelle had an extraordinary dream, 50 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,480 the first direct contact with her deceased grandfather. 51 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,640 In the dream, I saw my grandfather, and he came up to me, 52 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:28,280 and he asked me, did you make that French toast? 53 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,280 And all throughout my dream, he kept coming up saying, 54 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,520 did you make that French toast? 55 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,440 First, I thought it was just one of those things 56 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,640 where I must have had him on my mind, 57 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,920 and thinking it was just a dream. 58 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:47,480 And I asked one of the family members, 59 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,960 and they said, oh, yes, he loved French toast. 60 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,080 And I was like, OK, well, this must be a coincidence. 61 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,800 Michelle was just 10 when her grandfather, Benjamin, 62 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,560 passed away. 63 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,240 As she grew up, specific memories faded. 64 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,480 But Michelle never forgot his warmth, 65 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,080 his strength, his kindness. 66 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,960 Michelle always knew she would name her first son, Benjamin, 67 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,960 in honor of her grandfather. 68 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,360 But she never imagined the profound impact 69 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,040 it was to have upon her life. 70 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,720 A second dream came just days after the first. 71 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,240 Michelle's grandfather reappeared with a message 72 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,480 for his son, Greg, Michelle's father. 73 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,400 Michelle, tell Greg you're going to pay 74 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,680 for the water, or maybe at the river. 75 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,480 I didn't know if it was all in my head again, 76 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,400 like the French toast or not. 77 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,200 And I asked my dad, I said, what did he mean by this? 78 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,720 And I was just stunned. 79 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,120 I didn't say anything. 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,680 She says, does that make any sense? 81 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,000 I says, it makes perfect sense. 82 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,320 And Greg, one of the one things we've got to watch out for. 83 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,200 And I remembered back when I was a child, 84 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,920 he had asked me on Labor Day to go fishing with him. 85 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,160 Take a look at this. 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,040 And I remember taking the pail and caught an eel. 87 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Yes, we got an eel. 88 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,520 Great, fantastic. 89 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,320 And my job was to carry it back in the pail. 90 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,320 And it was kind of a scary thought. 91 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,000 I mean, this thing squirming around on this pail, 92 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:19,880 walking back with it. 93 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,280 Michelle had no way of knowing that. 94 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,120 I became a believer at that point. 95 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,040 I knew that it wasn't something she was just 96 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,080 remembering bits and pieces of memories from her childhood 97 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,080 that these were things that she could possibly 98 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,760 have no knowledge of. 99 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,600 One of the most fascinating evidences of life after death 100 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,000 contained in direct contacts is the fact 101 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,040 that loved ones who have passed on 102 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,280 will often, through particularly vivid dreams, 103 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:53,800 tell us little bits of information, 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,840 tell us things that we could not possibly know. 105 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:00,720 Michelle, I'm so happy you named adventure women. 106 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,920 Over time, Michelle's dreams began to feel more and more real. 107 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,600 Michelle actually appeared in some dreams herself, 108 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,360 conversing with her grandfather. 109 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,760 I am so proud of my grandchildren. 110 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:18,040 Michelle, ask Greg if he knows where your uncle's 111 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,160 purple heart is. 112 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,080 What purple heart, grandpa? 113 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,280 When I asked my father about the purple heart, 114 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:28,600 my dad was like, no, Michelle, none of my uncle's. 115 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,200 Not that I know I've had a purple heart. 116 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,720 And one day, I happened to be speaking to my mother. 117 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,720 And I asked her about it. 118 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,000 And she says, oh, yeah. 119 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,880 She says, your uncle had gotten a purple heart. 120 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,600 And she had it. 121 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,800 And it was wrapped in a flag, which my father had also 122 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,840 told Michelle that's the way she would find the purple heart. 123 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,200 The dreams began to take Michelle to places 124 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,360 she had never been before. 125 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,320 Places her grandfather has spent some 126 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,160 of the happiest days of his life. 127 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,160 Grandpa? 128 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,200 Grandpa? 129 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,160 We're late for the track. 130 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:10,800 I'm sorry. 131 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:11,960 Honey, you have to go back now. 132 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Go on home. 133 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,160 But tell Greg I got his lucky pencil. 134 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,960 I thought, now I'm really losing it. 135 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,400 This did not make sense whatsoever. 136 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,680 So I called dad. 137 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,920 When I told him about the lucky pencil, 138 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,560 dad just sat there again on the phone, and he was real quiet. 139 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,680 And he told me that when he was a little boy, 140 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,280 they used to all go to the racetrack. 141 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,480 Lucky pencils. 142 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,920 Get your lucky pencils. 143 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,480 My mom had a box of pencils, little stubs and full length ones. 144 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,440 And I took that down off the shelf. 145 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,560 And I stood at the gate of the racetrack 146 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,840 and sold lucky pencils. 147 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:48,760 Lucky pencils. 148 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,680 Get your lucky pencils. 149 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:50,520 I could buy a lucky pencil. 150 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,040 She was coming up with little nuances that I had. 151 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,520 No, I couldn't imagine how she was picking these things up. 152 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,840 Because we had never talked about it. 153 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,280 And there would be no way for her to know these things. 154 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:12,040 Another dream at the racetrack brought more information. 155 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,680 And the unexpected appearance of family members 156 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,800 Michelle had never met. 157 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:18,800 Michelle! 158 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,800 Michelle! 159 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Come on up! 160 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Come on! 161 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,840 I walked up to the bleachers after they called. 162 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,560 I did not recognize them. 163 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Honey, you remember me? 164 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,600 Your Uncle Don. 165 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:31,800 Your Uncle Bill? 166 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Uncle Bill. 167 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,320 Oh, it's so good to see you sweetie. 168 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,800 Is my grandpa here? 169 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,760 Your grandpa, he's here honey. 170 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,120 He's down with the guy who runs the time for the horses every morning. 171 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Come to find out, my uncle said that yes, 172 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,920 my grandfather used to talk to a man 173 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,040 who would clock the horses in the morning 174 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,680 and he would try to get the good score 175 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,200 so he would know who to bet on during that time. 176 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,400 So yeah. 177 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,640 And I had no way of knowing that. 178 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:59,640 None. 179 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,600 He said he will always watch over me in Benjamin. 180 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,960 So in a way I look at it as a guardian angel. 181 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,520 I often wondered why me. 182 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,680 Michelle had named her baby Benjamin after her grandfather. 183 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:20,840 I believe that's the reason grandpa came back to her. 184 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,920 It was a way of affirming that he's there. 185 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,640 It was a way also of saying thank you. 186 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:25,640 Hey, that's nice. 187 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,680 That's the way of somebody here on Earth named a child after you. 188 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:29,520 You'd say, well, thank you. 189 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,440 How flattering. 190 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:30,920 That was all. 191 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Two years and more than 100 dreams later, 192 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,480 Michelle O'Malley looks forward to each encounter 193 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,480 with her grandfather just as one would anticipate 194 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,080 the visit of an old friend. 195 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,160 I just kind of look at it as a blessing, a gift. 196 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,840 One thing he did tell me was that I was going 197 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,360 to help a lot of people with my story. 198 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,880 And I don't know how. 199 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,360 I'll know that. 200 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,400 But I believe him because when grandpa speaks, I listen. 201 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,040 Michelle, tell Greg to get a pail of water 202 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,080 and meet me at the railroad. 203 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,240 Did you make that French toast? 204 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,360 I'm so happy you named your grandson. 205 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,200 Because you're next child. 206 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,960 Tell Greg I've got his lucky pencil. 207 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,600 Is there an earthly explanation for Michelle O'Malley's 208 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,880 extraordinary experiences? 209 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,280 A skeptic might say her dreams are just wishful thinking 210 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,400 that hardly matters to Michelle, who 211 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,320 credits the visions of her grandfather 212 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,320 with teaching her the true meaning of family. 213 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:38,320 Next, a special report. 214 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,960 This man believes he has evidence that the Green River 215 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,040 killer was his own brother. 216 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,120 And later, murder rocks a wealthy community 217 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,440 and two teenage boys become suspects. 218 00:10:52,520 --> 00:11:05,760 I'm standing by the Green River, 13 miles south of Seattle, 219 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,400 Washington. 220 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,520 It was here in the summer of 1982 221 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,560 that the bodies of five young women were found. 222 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,880 It was the beginning of the hunt for a heinous mass murder, 223 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,000 a hunt that is yet to end. 224 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,520 Tonight, we will re-examine this disturbing case 225 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,000 and take a closer look at one of the key suspects, a man who 226 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,640 many believe was the infamous Green River killer. 227 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,360 It remains the largest unsolved serial murder case 228 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,240 in US history. 229 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,880 Two years, 49 victims, all young females, 230 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,520 most of them prostitutes who operated along the Sea 231 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,720 Taks strip near the Seattle Tacoma Airport, 232 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,920 nearly all of them strangled and dumped in a remote area. 233 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,160 Thousands of leads were investigated, 234 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,640 hundreds of suspects interrogated. 235 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,760 Today, more than a decade later, one man in particular 236 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,040 stands out. 237 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,160 His name, William J. Stevens. 238 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,880 Bill Stevens was a petty thief in and out of trouble 239 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,320 with the law for most of his life. 240 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,920 In 1981, he simply walked away from a minimum security 241 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,520 facility where he was serving time for burglary. 242 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,440 Over the next eight years, Stevens 243 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,720 avoided the authorities, dividing his time between Seattle, 244 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,600 Spokane, and Portland, Oregon. 245 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:32,720 Bill Stevens was an alienated, disaffected individual 246 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,120 who never held a job. 247 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,880 He fit all the FBI profiles of serial killers, 248 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,960 his poor relationships with women, 249 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,600 a mother who throttled his personality and development. 250 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,560 He was raging to his friends about how 251 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:53,840 the prostitutes of the Sea Taks strip 252 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,000 were spreading the AIDS epidemic. 253 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,320 My brother told people on several occasions 254 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,520 that he wanted to kill women. 255 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,160 He wanted to torture them. 256 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,760 He wanted to cut them up, dissect them. 257 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,680 He wanted to fill them with rocks. 258 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:15,920 He wanted to fill them with concrete. 259 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,640 And he wanted to still put all of this on tape. 260 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,640 He thought that would be neat. 261 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,760 King County Police, Chris, take the back. 262 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,960 January 1989, acting on several tips, 263 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,280 police searched Stevens' parents' house in Spokane. 264 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,480 They uncovered a cache of guns and police badges. 265 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,360 They also found dozens of polaroids of nude women, 266 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,760 most of them prostitutes. 267 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,200 In another room, police came upon dozens of pornographic tapes 268 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,040 and fraudulent credit card receipts from 1981 to 1989, 269 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,200 covering the years of the Green River killings. 270 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Stevens also had a fully equipped police car, which he 271 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,320 had managed to get registered to a non-existent city. 272 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,920 He had an ambulance, a police motorcycle. 273 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,760 Those factors tended to make him a criminal. 274 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,520 The factors tended to make him more of a suspect 275 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:20,360 in that it would have provided some ease for contacting 276 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,440 potential victims. 277 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,280 Investigators later searched a second house in Portland, 278 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,560 where Stevens lived until 1985. 279 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:42,000 In the basement, there was a secret room, which could only be 280 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,880 accessed by using an automatic garage door opener. 281 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,240 The secret room first came to the attention 282 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,360 of a neighbor who lived outside Portland. 283 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,720 At the same time, Stevens did. 284 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,160 He invited her in to see this room. 285 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:03,040 And in the room, as I remember it, there was a bed. 286 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,240 And on the bed was a mannequin, a store dummy, 287 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:12,040 that was dressed in women's underwear 288 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,600 and was struck in an obscene pose. 289 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,480 In January of 1989, Bill Stevens was 290 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,520 arrested and charged with felony escape 291 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,520 and a series of weapons violations. 292 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,000 That summer, Stevens was also publicly 293 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,080 named as a prime suspect in the Green River killings. 294 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,120 But within months, authorities had cleared Stevens, 295 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:41,160 primarily because of an alibi provided by his younger brother. 296 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,040 I visited him in the King County jail 297 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,200 before he was transferred back to Spokane. 298 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,160 And he mentioned that he couldn't have done the killings 299 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,800 because he was on a trip in Connecticut visiting me 300 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,920 in 1982 when the killings first happened. 301 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,400 After the visit, Bill Stevens and his parents 302 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,880 continued on a cross-country trip. 303 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,760 Bob Stevens produced receipts which 304 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,640 seemed to prove that Bill was still traveling with their parents 305 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,320 when the first five victims were murdered. 306 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,640 Additionally, we were able to determine that Stevens was 307 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,080 not in the Seattle area. 308 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,560 He was either in Spokane or Portland or Vancouver, 309 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,520 Washington on the day before or the day after 19 Green River 310 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,600 victims were last seen. 311 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,720 Today, many people still believe Bill Stevens got away 312 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,920 with murder at least 49 times. 313 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,760 Perhaps the most surprising convert 314 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,800 is Stevens' own brother, the person who provided him 315 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,720 with his alibi. 316 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,440 I really believe my brother is a Green River killer 317 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,960 that the police had had the killer behind bars in 1989. 318 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,000 And I helped get a killer away free. 319 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,160 Bob Stevens now questions whether his brother was, in fact, 320 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,680 with their parents when the first five murders were committed. 321 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,680 My dad had told me that my brother didn't always leave 322 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,180 with them. 323 00:17:09,180 --> 00:17:13,800 He would always just maybe just kind of join them somewhere, 324 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,640 just appear on their trip and then leave again. 325 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,880 That was his way of providing a paper trail. 326 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,000 He used my parents as his alibi. 327 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,840 Bob Stevens believes his brother had his own unique ammo. 328 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,520 He would travel to various parts of the country, 329 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,600 establish that he was there, fly back to Seattle 330 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,320 to commit murder, and then return to his vacation spot 331 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,680 to re-establish his alibi. 332 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,960 Bob Stevens has never contacted us 333 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:48,160 and provided us with any information contrary to what 334 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,760 he initially gave us. 335 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,440 This is basically news to me. 336 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,680 The police are involved in misdirection here 337 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,840 because they don't want the public looking too closely 338 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,960 at the various roles Stevens played in his life. 339 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,780 Roderick Thorpe claims that the authorities are not 340 00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:11,620 reinvestigating William Stevens for one simple reason. 341 00:18:11,620 --> 00:18:15,900 Thorpe believes that Stevens was a police informant. 342 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:19,740 Police are only as good as the information they get, 343 00:18:19,740 --> 00:18:23,820 which they get from people who live, as Stevens did, 344 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:27,220 on the edge of society committing crimes 345 00:18:27,220 --> 00:18:31,340 that the police have to overlook because a guy like Stevens 346 00:18:31,340 --> 00:18:33,180 is constantly giving them information 347 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:35,220 about more serious criminals. 348 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:37,620 So he was a good police informant, 349 00:18:37,620 --> 00:18:41,220 but at the same time, he was indulging in his little sport 350 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:44,380 there, which was the murder of young girls, 351 00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:46,540 but they never could believe it. 352 00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:49,500 Bill Stevens was never an informant 353 00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:52,180 for any of the local police departments 354 00:18:52,180 --> 00:18:54,580 and was never affiliated with any of the local police 355 00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:56,980 departments. 356 00:18:56,980 --> 00:19:00,100 There's no cover up with regards to the investigation 357 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:00,980 of William Stevens. 358 00:19:00,980 --> 00:19:05,860 He's simply not the Green River killer. 359 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:09,340 Bill Stevens died of cancer in 1991. 360 00:19:09,340 --> 00:19:12,540 Today, Detective Jensen is the only police officer actively 361 00:19:12,540 --> 00:19:14,780 working the Green River case. 362 00:19:14,780 --> 00:19:16,500 Officially, the murders themselves 363 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:21,020 ceased in the early months of 1984. 364 00:19:21,020 --> 00:19:25,180 We've explored the reasons why the killings may have stopped. 365 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:28,260 The suspect could be dead, could be incarcerated 366 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:31,940 for another crime, he could have moved to a different part 367 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:32,580 of the country. 368 00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:35,820 But have the killings truly stopped? 369 00:19:35,820 --> 00:19:39,220 At least six unsolved murders in Seattle in the late 80s 370 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:42,300 and early 90s bear an eerie resemblance to the Green River 371 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:43,700 killings. 372 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:46,420 If William Stevens was in fact the killer, 373 00:19:46,420 --> 00:19:51,500 then who could be responsible for these latest deaths? 374 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:56,500 It seems very clear that Stevens did not work alone. 375 00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:59,780 Stevens' phone bills were in the possession of the police, 376 00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:02,900 and one of the detectives told me 377 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:06,140 that they were puzzled about hours and hours 378 00:20:06,140 --> 00:20:09,540 of long distance calls to a certain number. 379 00:20:09,540 --> 00:20:11,900 What were they talking about? 380 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:14,500 There is no evidence to support the theory 381 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:17,300 that there was more than one killer. 382 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:20,940 Long telephone calls to a friend are not in any way 383 00:20:20,940 --> 00:20:22,940 incriminating, and in many cases, 384 00:20:22,940 --> 00:20:24,980 tend to provide him with alibi. 385 00:20:24,980 --> 00:20:27,700 There have been killings since the police 386 00:20:27,740 --> 00:20:31,660 there have been killings since that are Green River type 387 00:20:31,660 --> 00:20:33,980 killings, all right? 388 00:20:33,980 --> 00:20:39,020 Suggesting that the person who was Stevens accomplice 389 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:44,060 has continued in a very random way, 390 00:20:44,060 --> 00:20:47,860 because that's the way to get away with it. 391 00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:51,060 Was William J. Stevens a Green River killer? 392 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:55,060 Did he work with an accomplice, or was a killer someone else, 393 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:57,620 someone who may still be on the loose? 394 00:21:25,620 --> 00:21:29,900 In a moment, a woman needs your help 395 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:32,820 to find the foster son she still loves as her own. 396 00:21:49,420 --> 00:21:50,540 Here's his things. 397 00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:53,900 Virginia Warren and her family, February of 1967, 398 00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:57,860 was a time of tearful parting. 399 00:21:57,860 --> 00:21:59,780 Where's my truck? 400 00:21:59,780 --> 00:22:01,500 Five-year-old Roger Linsley would 401 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:04,380 been living with the Warrens as a foster child was leaving. 402 00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:11,980 I think the whole family was on edge, 403 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:14,860 because we knew that we were going to lose Roger, 404 00:22:14,860 --> 00:22:19,020 and just broke my heart, because Roger was our family, 405 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:23,580 and I had all intentions of adopting him and my husband 406 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:27,300 also as our son, but didn't work out that way. 407 00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:33,220 It's been almost 30 years since Jean Warren said goodbye 408 00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:35,060 to Roger Linsley. 409 00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:38,540 Tonight, Jean needs your help to find the foster son she still 410 00:22:38,540 --> 00:22:39,660 loves as her own. 411 00:22:43,260 --> 00:22:45,620 They met in 1964. 412 00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:48,020 Jean, her husband, Don, and her three young daughters 413 00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:50,340 were living in Queens, New York. 414 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:53,100 But the Warrens had always longed for a son, 415 00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:57,620 and Jean had a special reason for wanting to be a foster parent. 416 00:22:57,620 --> 00:23:01,180 I was a foster child, and because of this, 417 00:23:01,180 --> 00:23:06,340 I guess I wanted a foster child to do what somebody did for me. 418 00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:07,220 Hello, Roger. 419 00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:08,460 Hello. 420 00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:09,900 Hello, Roger. 421 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:12,020 Welcome to our family. 422 00:23:12,020 --> 00:23:13,940 It's the tender loving care. 423 00:23:13,940 --> 00:23:17,380 To me, this is what's important, giving a child the love, 424 00:23:17,380 --> 00:23:23,060 the attention that he needed, and not just a bed to sleep in. 425 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:28,740 Roger, this is Carol, and Wendy, and Donna. 426 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:30,140 Donna, this is Roger. 427 00:23:30,140 --> 00:23:33,820 Hi, do you want to come and play with my toys? 428 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:39,580 He was kind of shy, but Donna, she was a year older than Roger, 429 00:23:39,580 --> 00:23:43,220 and she took to him. 430 00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:45,260 Now, the agency did tell you about his little problem, 431 00:23:45,260 --> 00:23:46,100 didn't they? 432 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:47,060 Problem. 433 00:23:47,060 --> 00:23:48,340 Well, Roger's a little slow. 434 00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:51,260 He has trouble picking up new things. 435 00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:53,540 You just have to be patient with him. 436 00:23:53,540 --> 00:23:56,100 Jean and her family were more than patient. 437 00:23:56,100 --> 00:24:00,900 Donna especially took her new brother under her wing. 438 00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:03,500 All three of us girls tried to help him as much as we could, 439 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:05,220 but since I was closest to his age, 440 00:24:05,220 --> 00:24:07,100 I think that's why we got along so good. 441 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:09,540 He was my buddy, and my brother. 442 00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:10,580 I thought of him as my brother. 443 00:24:10,580 --> 00:24:12,740 I never thought of him as a foster child. 444 00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:16,060 He was Roger, my brother. 445 00:24:16,060 --> 00:24:18,540 I'm ready to go. 446 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:21,820 Roger, you've got him on the wrong feet again. 447 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:24,660 He'd come to me, and he'd go, I got my shoes on, 448 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:28,500 and then I'd look down at his feet, and they'd be on wrong. 449 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:31,820 And I was always trying to show him which side to put on, 450 00:24:31,820 --> 00:24:32,460 which foot. 451 00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:34,620 I'm going to take your shoes off so I can get them 452 00:24:34,620 --> 00:24:36,780 on the right feet, OK? 453 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:38,860 It took a while, but he finally did learn, 454 00:24:38,860 --> 00:24:40,740 and he learned to tie his shoes really quickly. 455 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:42,340 I'm cool. 456 00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:43,300 OK. 457 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:46,300 That's how you tie your shoes, OK? 458 00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:49,100 Roger, do you remember what this is? 459 00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:50,460 You said the word yesterday. 460 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:52,340 Is it soda? 461 00:24:52,340 --> 00:24:53,700 Can you say that for me? 462 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:54,500 Soda. 463 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:55,220 Very good. 464 00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:57,060 Would you like some? 465 00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:58,340 There you go. 466 00:24:58,340 --> 00:25:00,620 Within a year's time, I have to say, 467 00:25:00,620 --> 00:25:05,300 Roger developed so wonderfully. 468 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:08,900 He started smiling a lot, laughing a lot. 469 00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:11,460 You know, he was no longer that shy little boy that 470 00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:12,860 walked in that day. 471 00:25:12,860 --> 00:25:14,260 You're doing real good, Roger. 472 00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:17,500 I'm proud of you. 473 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:22,500 I think adjusting in our family was the best thing for Roger. 474 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:26,220 Whatever we did, he was there with us. 475 00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:32,900 And each day, I was loving this child more and more and more. 476 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:35,580 Roger lived with the Warrens for three years. 477 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:39,660 Then in 1967, Don and Jean had to move to Ohio. 478 00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:41,780 They were heartbroken to learn that they could not 479 00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:44,900 take Roger with them. 480 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:50,300 I questioned the agency because I wanted to adopt Roger. 481 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:54,700 And they told me that was impossible because he had family. 482 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:59,040 Then I asked them, would it be possible to take Roger 483 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,100 to Ohio with us? 484 00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:06,980 And that was also denied because a foster child couldn't 485 00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:09,740 be taken out of state. 486 00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:10,620 Mr. Warren? 487 00:26:10,620 --> 00:26:12,060 Yes, come in, please. 488 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:13,820 He's ready. 489 00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:22,580 Roger, you're going to go with this nice lady. 490 00:26:22,580 --> 00:26:24,660 But I don't want to. 491 00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:26,220 I want to stay here. 492 00:26:26,220 --> 00:26:29,340 Despite the fact that Roger had relatives in the area, 493 00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:31,380 he would not be returning to them. 494 00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:34,020 Instead, he was to go to another foster family. 495 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:35,820 But Roger will be well taken care of. 496 00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:37,740 Did you find a nice home for him? 497 00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:40,980 Well, I'm afraid we haven't found him a permanent home yet. 498 00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:44,380 But we found a family who can take him in temporarily. 499 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:45,900 I'm afraid they don't speak English, 500 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:47,780 but they're a very good family. 501 00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:49,380 I don't understand. 502 00:26:49,380 --> 00:26:51,220 What do you mean they don't speak English? 503 00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:53,660 Well, I'm afraid they only speak Spanish. 504 00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:55,780 Oh, you can't do this. 505 00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:57,500 We've worked so hard with Roger. 506 00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:58,780 He's doing so well. 507 00:26:58,780 --> 00:27:00,260 He's made so much progress. 508 00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:03,220 This kind of troubled me because I felt like I was 509 00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:04,780 going to lose my family. 510 00:27:04,780 --> 00:27:08,220 I just thought that would be the worst thing for him. 511 00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:10,060 But there was nothing I can do. 512 00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:13,220 But I cried, naturally. 513 00:27:13,220 --> 00:27:15,500 Even more so, I didn't want to let him go. 514 00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:20,820 Come on, Roger. 515 00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:21,620 Time to go. 516 00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:44,460 When she took him to the car, he looked at us and looked at me. 517 00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:49,740 And I remember putting out his hand and crying, 518 00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:50,620 I don't want to go. 519 00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:51,540 I don't want to go. 520 00:27:51,540 --> 00:27:54,260 And you'll be a good boy, Roger. 521 00:27:54,260 --> 00:27:56,500 I could only say, Roger, be good. 522 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:58,180 Take care of yourself. 523 00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:59,900 And I love you. 524 00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:01,220 And I'll always remember you. 525 00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:04,120 Let's go. 526 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,780 When we return, the unsolved murder 527 00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:35,780 of a teenage girl fuels controversy and scandal 528 00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:36,980 in a wealthy community. 529 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:54,300 On the night before Halloween, 1975, 530 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:56,900 15-year-old Martha Moxley of Greenish, Connecticut 531 00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:58,580 disappeared. 532 00:28:58,580 --> 00:29:01,220 For 12 hours, her family was in a panic. 533 00:29:01,220 --> 00:29:02,860 The entire neighborhood spread out 534 00:29:02,860 --> 00:29:05,460 in search of the missing teenager. 535 00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:07,420 The next day, another 15-year-old girl 536 00:29:07,420 --> 00:29:09,660 took a shortcut through Martha's yard 537 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:12,860 and made a shocking discovery. 538 00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:16,820 I became an adult very young. 539 00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:21,140 I saw something I should never have seen. 540 00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:25,780 I saw this beautiful, wonderful, sweet girl, maimed. 541 00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:28,380 I mean, just devastated. 542 00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:31,540 I saw how cruel people can be to people. 543 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:36,220 I found Martha. 544 00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:37,220 Sheila. 545 00:29:37,220 --> 00:29:38,700 I did. 546 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:41,020 Sheila was crying. 547 00:29:41,020 --> 00:29:42,460 And I said, well, is she all right? 548 00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:45,900 And she said, she didn't think so. 549 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:47,700 And so I stayed in the house. 550 00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:50,340 And this friend went with Sheila. 551 00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:52,780 And they came back in a couple of minutes. 552 00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:55,180 And my friend said, it's Martha. 553 00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:56,060 And she's dead. 554 00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:03,300 The murder of Martha Moxley stunned the wealthy gated 555 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,340 community of Belhaven. 556 00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:07,100 Initially, everyone assumed the killer 557 00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:10,140 had to have been someone from outside the area. 558 00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:12,900 In fact, among the suspects then and now 559 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:18,780 are two young men who live less than 200 yards away. 560 00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:21,060 You have a case here which really should be called 561 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:23,060 getting away with murder. 562 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:28,140 And I believe that we're this not a prominent family. 563 00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:33,300 Nobody would have gotten away with this crime. 564 00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:40,900 It's been more than 20 years as Martha Moxley was murdered. 565 00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:43,180 But the case remains open and is perhaps now 566 00:30:43,180 --> 00:30:45,460 more than ever solvable. 567 00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:48,260 Not only because of advances in forensic technology, 568 00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:52,660 such as DNA analysis, but because of stunning new revelations 569 00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:55,260 allegedly made by two of the suspects themselves. 570 00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:07,500 October 30, 1975 had begun innocently. 571 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:09,260 Martha Moxley and several friends 572 00:31:09,260 --> 00:31:13,580 went out for an evening of teenage pranks. 573 00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:15,780 Early the next afternoon, Martha's body 574 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:18,220 was discovered in her own backyard. 575 00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:21,260 Her jeans and underpants were pulled out around her knees. 576 00:31:21,260 --> 00:31:25,740 But there was no evidence of sexual assault. 577 00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:28,540 Martha was struck with a golf club. 578 00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:32,300 She received several blows to the head. 579 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:35,380 The head of the club was found 50 feet 580 00:31:35,380 --> 00:31:38,180 from the portion of her driveway where we believe 581 00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:40,260 she was accosted. 582 00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:42,100 Subsequently, we were able to determine 583 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,060 that she was stabbed in the neck. 584 00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:48,860 It's believed that a portion of the shaft of the golf club 585 00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:53,700 that was used was later used as a weapon to stab her with. 586 00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,980 That particular section of the club, which is probably 587 00:31:56,980 --> 00:31:59,940 about a foot long, was never located. 588 00:31:59,940 --> 00:32:02,060 Here are the clubs you requested from that set. 589 00:32:02,060 --> 00:32:03,580 It's the only set like that that we have. 590 00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:06,220 The golf club turned out to be part of a set belonging 591 00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:08,660 to the Skakel family, who lived across the street 592 00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:10,380 from the Moxleys. 593 00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:12,940 Rushton Skakel is a brother of Ethel Kennedy, 594 00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:15,900 Robert Kennedy's widow. 595 00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:18,540 The fact that the club now was determined 596 00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:20,700 to have come from the Skakel resident, 597 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:22,900 I think there was a significant piece of evidence 598 00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:27,500 and made us obviously focus our investigation in that household 599 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:29,220 and within that family. 600 00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:34,740 The police estimated that Martha had been murdered 601 00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:37,860 between 9.45 and 10.00 PM. 602 00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:40,260 15-year-old Michael Skakel told police 603 00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:41,700 he had been with Martha that night. 604 00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:45,100 Alexander Nielsen. 605 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,620 17-year-old Thomas Skakel was with her as well. 606 00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:50,580 Thomas, in fact, was the last person 607 00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:52,820 known to have seen Martha alive. 608 00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:54,660 Well, we wanted to listen to some tapes, 609 00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:57,220 but my brother and my cousin were inside the house 610 00:32:57,220 --> 00:32:59,300 listening to music on the big stereo. 611 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:03,340 So we decided to go ahead and listen to music in the car. 612 00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:04,140 It's not as cool. 613 00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:04,940 It's not as cool. 614 00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:05,820 I like it. 615 00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:07,020 Well, that's a matter of. 616 00:33:07,020 --> 00:33:09,420 Thomas told detectives that he and Martha, 617 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:11,500 along with Michael and two other friends, 618 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:16,020 sat in the car from around 9 to 9.30. 619 00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:18,140 Well, we were in the car for a while, 620 00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:21,420 and my brothers came out and kicked us out of the car 621 00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:23,180 because my cousin Jim needed a ride home. 622 00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:23,900 We're going to have to get out. 623 00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:27,700 You know they're going to want to use a car. 624 00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:29,580 When was this? 625 00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:30,580 About what time? 626 00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:33,980 Oh, maybe 9.15, 9.30. 627 00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:35,780 Then? 628 00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:39,620 Well, then Brian left, and then Alexander left. 629 00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:42,140 And a few minutes later, Martha left. 630 00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:45,220 I had a paper due on Abraham Lincoln. 631 00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:48,460 So I went back inside the house and up into my room. 632 00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:51,420 At what time was it? 633 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:53,620 Say about 9.30. 634 00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:56,260 The police later checked with Thomas' school. 635 00:33:56,260 --> 00:34:00,020 They found that no such report had been assigned. 636 00:34:00,020 --> 00:34:04,340 Michael Skakel corroborated part of his brother, Thomas' story. 637 00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:06,620 Michael told police that at 9.30, 638 00:34:06,620 --> 00:34:08,900 he went with his two oldest brothers, John and Rush 639 00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:10,980 Jr., to give their cousin a ride home. 640 00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:17,220 But if Michael was in the car and Thomas was in his room, 641 00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:21,700 what happened to Martha Moxley on her short walk home? 642 00:34:21,700 --> 00:34:24,980 Investigators found yet another suspect in the Skakel household. 643 00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:32,340 I'm about 12, 12, 30. 644 00:34:32,340 --> 00:34:34,420 24-year-old Kenneth Littleton had just 645 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:37,700 been hired as a live-in tutor for the Skakel children. 646 00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:40,900 He had moved into the house on the morning of the murder. 647 00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:42,980 I spent the entire time watching TV. 648 00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:47,540 What were you watching? 649 00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:49,020 French connection. 650 00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:52,340 Anybody see you in there watching TV? 651 00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:53,220 Sure. 652 00:34:53,220 --> 00:34:56,700 Mrs. Watson, she's the housekeeper. 653 00:34:56,700 --> 00:35:00,220 Mr. Littleton, I just heard some noise going on outside 654 00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:01,120 my window. 655 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,980 Could you go and take a look, please? 656 00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:03,820 Sure, Mrs. Watson. 657 00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:04,720 I'll go check. 658 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:05,620 Thank you. 659 00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:09,180 So what time was that? 660 00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:12,700 That was about 9.45. 661 00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:14,780 Before he went outside, Littleton 662 00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:18,420 said that he decided to check on the seven Skakel children. 663 00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:22,540 The four oldest boys, Rush Jr., John, Michael, and Thomas, 664 00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:25,380 were still not home. 665 00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:28,380 His story was he had heard some noises coming 666 00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:32,500 from the bushes on the property and leaves rustling. 667 00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:35,660 But they claimed he did not see anything 668 00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:37,780 at the time he was out. 669 00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:40,380 That's what I was telling you about. 670 00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:43,380 Littleton said he didn't see Thomas until 10.25, 671 00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:46,940 when Thomas joined him in front of the TV. 672 00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:51,940 The other three boys came home within half an hour. 673 00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:53,900 Over the next several months, Detectus 674 00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:55,660 interviewed more than 200 people 675 00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:58,340 and gave several polygraph exams. 676 00:35:58,340 --> 00:36:01,860 According to the police, Thomas Skakel was given two tests. 677 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:03,740 The first was inconclusive. 678 00:36:03,740 --> 00:36:07,580 Thomas passed the second. 679 00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:10,260 Then after months of cooperating with the authorities, 680 00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:12,900 the Skakels, on the advice of their attorney, 681 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:16,940 abruptly put a halt to all further questioning. 682 00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:20,260 No one has an obligation to cooperate with police. 683 00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:23,020 But most instances, individuals who 684 00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:25,060 may have some knowledge that may lead 685 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:27,420 to the identification of an individual who 686 00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:29,820 is committed to violent crime are more than pleased 687 00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:31,660 to contribute that information to the police. 688 00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:35,700 So it's most unusual when an individual possessing information 689 00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:38,740 decides that he does not want to give that information 690 00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:40,780 to investigators. 691 00:36:40,780 --> 00:36:43,420 Do you know who killed Martha Moxley? 692 00:36:43,420 --> 00:36:44,180 No. 693 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:45,940 Eventually, attention shifted again 694 00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:48,660 to Kenneth Littleton, who'd been dismissed by the Skakels 695 00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:50,580 after six months. 696 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:54,580 In July of 1976, Littleton was arrested in Nantucket, 697 00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:58,540 Massachusetts, for burglary and theft. 698 00:36:58,540 --> 00:37:00,500 According to the police, he was given 699 00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:04,220 a polygraph regarding the Moxley murder and failed. 700 00:37:04,220 --> 00:37:06,580 Still, authorities felt there wasn't enough evidence 701 00:37:06,580 --> 00:37:07,860 to make an arrest. 702 00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:09,780 The case became inactive. 703 00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:11,660 No. 704 00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:14,740 And you know you can always count on your family, don't you? 705 00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:17,100 If you're implying that my family is lying to protect me, 706 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,380 you're dead wrong. 707 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,040 Incredibly, 16 years later, it was 708 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,100 a media attention surrounding the rape trial of William Kennedy 709 00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:28,620 Smith that brought the Moxley case back to life. 710 00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:31,100 The connection between the Skakel and Kennedy family 711 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:32,820 served as the impetus. 712 00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:34,700 Within weeks, the Greenwich police 713 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:38,060 had reopened their investigation. 714 00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:40,660 The opinion of most of the investigators 715 00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:42,860 who are entrained police officers 716 00:37:42,860 --> 00:37:46,780 is that whoever was responsible for this crime 717 00:37:46,780 --> 00:37:50,420 probably was in the Skakel home at some time that evening. 718 00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:53,380 And we've been told in no uncertain terms 719 00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:57,420 that under no circumstances would they ever 720 00:37:57,420 --> 00:38:00,740 speak or agree to any type of interviews 721 00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:09,180 or come forward and meet with any of us at any time ever. 722 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:12,720 In 1991, the police had brought in forensic pathologist 723 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,780 Dr. Henry Lee, who would later gain national prominence 724 00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:18,580 during the OJ Simpson murder trial. 725 00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:24,700 Dr. Lee was able to utilize technology unavailable in 1975. 726 00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:28,300 We were able to re-examine certain evidence. 727 00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:32,940 We were able to find some newer evidence. 728 00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:34,980 Among the items examined by Dr. Lee 729 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:37,300 were clothes found discarded in the Skakel's 730 00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:40,020 garbage shortly after the murder. 731 00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:43,260 This included a pair of pants and sneakers, which 732 00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:46,060 reportedly belonged to Michael. 733 00:38:46,060 --> 00:38:49,180 We found some hairs and fibers. 734 00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:53,340 Some of the hair, microscopic, similar to hers. 735 00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:57,340 Other hair, dissimilar to her. 736 00:38:57,340 --> 00:39:01,060 Dr. Lee determined that the hair belonged to a male Caucasian, 737 00:39:01,060 --> 00:39:02,860 but he didn't have a hair sample from any 738 00:39:02,860 --> 00:39:07,300 of the possible suspects and was unable to make a match. 739 00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:10,020 However, after studying the crime scene photographs, 740 00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:12,740 Dr. Lee was able to provide a possible motive 741 00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:14,900 for Martha's murder. 742 00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:19,380 The blusmir on her body indicates somebody 743 00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:21,300 tried to use force. 744 00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:27,580 It suggests it could be a sexual-motivated homicide. 745 00:39:27,580 --> 00:39:29,580 Leonard Levitt is an investigative reporter 746 00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:32,460 for the Long Island-based Daily Newsday. 747 00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:36,660 He has been looking into the Moxley case since 1982. 748 00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:39,500 There were no defense wounds, which indicates 749 00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,420 that she knew her attacker. 750 00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:45,620 Merely the fact that she was hit repeatedly with a golf club 751 00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:48,820 indicates some kind of rage which personalizes this thing, 752 00:39:48,820 --> 00:39:54,660 which indicates that there was such anger that the two had 753 00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:58,460 to have known each other, that it was a crime of passion. 754 00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:05,700 Time and again, the trail led back to the Skakles. 755 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,300 By 1995, Thomas Skakles was 37 years old, 756 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:13,060 a successful businessman married and the father of two. 757 00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:15,620 Years earlier, Thomas's father, Rushden Skakles, 758 00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:19,020 set out to clear the family name once and for all. 759 00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:21,580 He hired his own private investigators. 760 00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:23,620 But what they allegedly discovered about the night 761 00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:26,300 in question was nothing short of a bombshell. 762 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:33,660 In November of 1995, a full 20 years after the murder 763 00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:37,020 of Martha Moxley, Leonard Levitt reported in Newsday 764 00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:40,260 that Thomas and Michael Skakles had made startling admissions 765 00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:43,220 to the private detectives. 766 00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:45,980 Both Thomas and Michael told the investigators 767 00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:48,020 that they had lied to the police about their accounts 768 00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:50,780 the night of the murder. 769 00:40:50,780 --> 00:40:53,700 Thomas said to them that after 9.30, 770 00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:56,820 he went inside his house and then he went back out 771 00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:59,900 and spent another 20 minutes with Martha. 772 00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:03,900 He claims now that he and Martha engaged in a sexual act 773 00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:06,860 and then left her at about 10 to 10. 774 00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:11,860 If you go back now and you look at the story that he told, 775 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:13,620 it just doesn't add up. 776 00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:16,260 Yeah, I'm very sorry to be calling you so late, 777 00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:18,580 but I'm looking for my daughter, Martha. 778 00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:22,700 At 1 AM, Martha's mother called around the neighborhood 779 00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:24,460 looking for Martha. 780 00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:27,260 They awakened Thomas who's asleep. 781 00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:32,940 And his story is, I last saw her at 9.30 PM. 782 00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:36,740 If Thomas doesn't know that Martha is dead, 783 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:41,380 why doesn't he say then I last left her at 10 to 10? 784 00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:43,780 Why is he lying before he even knows 785 00:41:43,780 --> 00:41:46,340 that something has happened to her? 786 00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:48,820 That's a question that nobody has resolved. 787 00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:54,300 His younger brother Michael says that around midnight, 788 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,740 he went out to Martha's house, climbed up a tree, 789 00:41:57,740 --> 00:42:01,060 threw stones at her window to awaken her. 790 00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:03,580 The only thing that possibly makes any sense was 791 00:42:03,580 --> 00:42:05,860 that if Martha was dead at 10 o'clock 792 00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:07,780 and he's up there at midnight, 793 00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:09,900 they didn't know she'd been killed. 794 00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:14,900 Then climbed down and passed what police now say 795 00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:20,420 is the murder site, says he heard something, 796 00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:22,380 saw nothing and went home. 797 00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:26,420 Now what this all means, nobody can quite figure out. 798 00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:30,940 Clearly we're a different situation now 799 00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:33,820 than we've ever been because we've got these admissions 800 00:42:33,820 --> 00:42:36,540 from Thomas that he lied to the police, 801 00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:40,820 that he's put himself with Martha at precisely the time 802 00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:42,820 that the police believe she's murdered. 803 00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:48,660 If you take those articles as being factual, 804 00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:53,100 the question arises, why did they lie 805 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:55,580 and why have they 20 years later decided 806 00:42:55,580 --> 00:42:57,380 to change their stories? 807 00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:59,820 There's certainly a strange and different change 808 00:42:59,820 --> 00:43:04,660 in stories here that firmly indicate to me 809 00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:08,020 that the answers to this case are within that family. 810 00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:12,020 It's frustrating to know that for 20 years, 811 00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:13,260 they've known that they lied 812 00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:15,860 and they know something that's going on. 813 00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:17,980 And I'm not saying that they did it, 814 00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:21,500 but they know something that could help us. 815 00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:24,420 It was just very exciting to think that 816 00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:27,940 we've actually had some little breaking down 817 00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:32,260 in their story and just with the hope 818 00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:35,020 that if one thing breaks down, 819 00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:37,460 maybe other things will break down. 820 00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:38,820 And it's bound to happen. 821 00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:43,460 Anytime I can do anything to help it, 822 00:43:43,460 --> 00:43:46,260 I'm going to do it and I won't give up. 823 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:47,860 And I have to do that for Martha. 824 00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:34,260 On our next on Sawed Mysteries, do you believe in ghosts? 825 00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:36,820 Perhaps you will after taking the unofficial tour 826 00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:39,820 of the legendary comedy store in Hollywood. 827 00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:42,460 Some people say that once the celebrities go home, 828 00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:46,140 the real show begins. 829 00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:49,020 Join me next Friday at our regular time 830 00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:52,300 for another fascinating edition of On Sawed Mysteries.